12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by rollingdam » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:10 pm

who is the guy hanging from the ceiling?

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:45 am

That would be Je-sus, (hey-soos), kind of the central character in a big mixed media piece of mine called the "Shabby Seat of Power" left over from my serious artist days before I discovered the easy money world of guitar building. :D

I'll see if I can find a pic,
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by DaveWhite » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:52 am

Joe,

I love the "phone box". As Bill and Ted would say "Excellent 8-) ".
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by rollingdam » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:07 pm

with peeling paint on the inside of the door-it seems more like outhouse than phone booth. :lol:

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:50 pm

Thanks Dave!

And John, you know they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but however you see it, it's letting me get on with building your guitar. If you want to picture it being built in an outhouse rather than a phone booth, go for it. :lol:

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:41 pm

Thanks to my new phone booth I've been able to get on with bracing the plates.

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All carved and ready to go! Has a nice tap to it. As you might be able to tell I'm following Scott van Linge's ideas on bracing as close as I can. I haven't done an x brace guitar for a while, but his thoughts and advice sure helped me to improve the sound of my builds.

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And the back, lightly braced because I like to feel the vibrations when I play.

And I guess closing the box will be next,
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Lefty » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:19 pm

Nice clean work Joe.

I was just wondering,

Is it hard to concentrate with hey-soos hanging around the shop watching your every move? :D

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:10 pm

He keeps me on my toes Lefty! :D

Closing the box. I glued the back onto the rims with fish glue and after tapping around and listening I did a little more carving of the back braces. Mainly the lowest brace and the top brace. The brace at the waist was already carved very low since it was bracing the shortest span and I was surprised at the deep resonant tap I was getting there. The tap along the bottom brace seemed a little tight so I carved it down low and it seems to have opened up the sound much better. Just tapping, listening and responding intuitively, but it's sounding really nice to me. I don't believe I've ever put the back on first before but I think I like doing it this way.

I've been reading the pro and con discussions on sealing the inside of the box with a coat of shellac and I think a pretty good case has been made that it will slow down the woods reaction to humidity changes, which sounds like a little good insurance to me. So some final sanding and then a brush coat of shellac, stick on my label and on to fitting the top.

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Ready to go.

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I reached in through the soundhole and marked along the kerfing and head and tail blocks so I could brush on a coat of shellac on the top, being careful not to get any in the glue zone.

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And there we go, let the fish glue dry overnight and we'll have a closed box!

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:55 pm

Okay we've got a closed box. Now it's on to getting it ready for binding.

I made a couple of cork faced sanding blocks, one flat and one out of pvc for sanding the waist area. I marked along the sides with a soft pencil and sanded with the sanding blocks to get a flat surface.

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And you can see by the pencil marks if there is a low spot or ripple and sand until all the marks are gone so you know you have a flat surface. I'd never really done this before, just sanded till it looked and felt smooth, but this really lets you find the uneven spots in your sides. Works well.

And then it was on to the end graft.

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My first non wedge shaped end graft.

Binding is next,
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Matthew Jenkins » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:41 am

Racing stripes!! Very cool. Are you going to continue them over the top and back? :D

Only joking Joe. The end graft looks great and will be finished off superbly when the binding goes on.

I like the sanding the rims tip but I bend on a pipe and my rims generally end up looking like a beach when the tides just gone out! ;)

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Fred Blom » Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:59 am

The sides on my first build had several low spots and I did not see them until pour filling. Had I known the tip you showed (I had never built anything before the guitar) I would have had more success. I will use your tip on the second. I like the end graft. It got me thinking about matching the end graft with the neck lamination as a design element. I'm sure the bindings/purflings will make this one stunning.
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by DaveAnderson » Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:38 pm

I like your end wedge or Non wedge Joe. I like making them straight like this too.
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Kim » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:02 pm

DaveWhite wrote:Joe,

I love the "phone box". As Bill and Ted would say "Excellent 8-) ".
I had one of those in my shop but had to get rid of it. I found that mine seemed to attract mild mannered blokes with tweed and thick rimmed glasses who'd come sneaking in my workshop, slip into the box, and then burst out again wearing blue Lycra jump suits with red undies on the outside shouting "Up, Up, and AWAAAY!!" as the flew off out the bloody door...very distracting to say the least.

Coming along very nicely there Joe 8-)
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Marcus McGuinness » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:08 am

Very neat-looking work there, Joe, and I'm following this build with interest. I get your point about being an artist. Why struggle to put food on the table when you can rake it in building guitars?

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:02 pm

Thanks for commenting guys!
On to binding,
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Yeah there's them racing stripes again. And does anyone see what's wrong about those pretty bent purfling pieces?

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I went with the tape them into place and glue them down with the thin CA method.

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Picture of my poor boy binding router tower.

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Purfing and binding channels cut on top.

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Bindings with end graft and back stripe.

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And binding and purfs from the top.

Back to my earlier question about the pretty bent purfs, look again at that first shot and then look at the purfing in this last shot and notice the orientation!

I'm always working hard to find another way to screw up. :dohh:

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Dennis Leahy » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:21 pm

sustaireblues wrote: does anyone see what's wrong about those pretty bent purfling pieces?

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I'm always working hard to find another way to screw up. :dohh:

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Adding to the degree of difficulty, Joe? :)

Sure looks pretty when you told the wood which way you really wanted it to bend and got it in place!

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Marcus McGuinness » Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:41 am

That's a very attractive rosette and purfling/binding combination. Well worth the extra effort ;) .

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:53 am

Getting the neck underway.

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Glued up and trussrod slot routed.

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Walnut splines to reinforce the tenon.

I just got Jon Simpson's neck joint jig, so this is it's trial run.
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Routing the tenon on the neck with proper angle to fit the body.

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Finished tenon.

And this is the jig for routing the body mortise.
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And here's the mortise.

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Goes together nice.

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Going to be a guitar.

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Kim » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:01 am

Coming along just great Joe. I really like the over look of this one, very balanced and a polished effort all round there fella.
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:12 pm

Thanks for checking it out Kim, this is my first dread build and I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares to all the small body gits I usually build. :D

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Here's the neck joint after I've got holes drilled and hardware in place.

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Got the neck about 95% carved.

And started on the headstock overlay.
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Fretboard clamped into place for positioning headplate with a layer of plastic wrap to keep from gluing parts I don't want stuck. :lol:

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Black fish paper and curly maple overlay. Angle sanded into nut end of headplate.

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All glued and clamped into place

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Trimmed up and sanded.

All for now,
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Eben » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:16 pm

Oh my Lawd;
you are a BAD man, Joe;
and I have great respect for that!!

;) :lol:

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by rollingdam » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:30 pm

Looks great-I had mentioned I wanted the top stained a darker color-but I think we should leave it as is-any thoughts?

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Fred Blom » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:56 pm

Wow, you don't even need 3-D glasses for that headplate. Sweet!
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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by Joe Sustaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:07 pm

Thanks guys!

Yeah I thought I could iron the wrinkles out of that headplate but I think I just ironed them into permanent creases. They ain't ever coming out!

And yes I was going to consult with you John on the stained top idea when I got to the finishing stage, but I think I agree with you, leave well enough alone. The colors are balancing out nicely now with the binding and perfs, and staining for me is always kind of a gamble. Usually I like where it goes, but sometimes it really gets me scrambling to try and get back to something I'm pleased with and then I'm kicking myself, for jumping into the deep end.

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Re: 12 Fret Slope Shoulder Dread

Post by WaddyT » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:40 pm

It all looks good to me, Joe. It's going to be a winner!

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